Wise Women Group

Toward the end of her career, Beth launched a "Wise Women Group," which became a safe and valued space for the sharing of experiences and life challenges among a diverse and welcoming group of older women.

In 2022, Beth published "Women Sharing Wisdom:  A Facilitator's Guide to Starting a Wise Women Group", <https://www.amazon.com/Women-Sharing-Wisdom-Facilitators-Starting-ebook/dp/B0B5W4G3TG>, her last major publication. It is a collection of 158 single page thought provoking discussion topics that pertain to women and the challenges they face as they age.  She saw this not as group therapy, but as a place for women to listen to one another, to learn and to grow.  Beth felt this was one of her greatest legacies, something she hoped would endure and be promoted in perpetuity; her intention for the book was to encourage other women to start their own groups.  In 2023 she presented this book and the Wise Women concept at the APA (American Psychological Association in DC) where it was enthusiastically received.

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If you are interested in starting a group, there is great guidance in Beth’s book.

You may consider in-person meetings where you can make face-to-face contact with local people, however, Zoom is more convenient for most.

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Dr. Beth Firestein, right, chats May 30 with three members of the Wise Women support group during lunch at Adelita's in Loveland. From left the ladies are Nancy Lichina, Skye Summerain and Nancy McDonald. ( Liyana Haniff )

If you are interested in joining an existing Wise Women group, contact:

  • Diane Knight at dkessel2@comcast.net;
    meetings on the second and fourth Tuesday of each month from 11:15 - 12:30
     by Zoom (There may be occasional meetings in person).
  • Or Ginny Riley at  griley60@gmail.com; meetings every other Thursday from 9:30 – 11:00 by Zoom.

The Wise Women Group is a free, community-based support group for women 50 − 100+ who are looking for a place to connect with other women and have stimulating discussions about a variety of topics that pertain to our lives. Most of the women in the group are in their 60s, 70s, and 80s.

This is a group of vital, interesting women dealing with challenges and changes associated with getting older. The tone of the group is positive and uplifting, and we manage to laugh together in spite of the challenges we all face.

The Wise Women Group Gathers to Celebrate Beth's Life

Wise Women Group - In The News

Wise Women work together as they navigate life changes

Psychologist Beth Firestein created support group to give women help to deal with aging

By Joyce Davis For the Loveland Reporter-Herald
Posted: 06/08/2013 11:42:39 AM MDT

Growing older is a challenge at any age. For women in their 50s, 60s, 70s and up, the challenges may be accompanied with feelings of sadness, confusion and even dread. In many cases, each birthday may bring unexpected, life-altering changes -- empty nest, divorce, death of a mate, loss of a job or feelings of inadequacy and depression.

In the United States, the average life expectancy of women exceeds 80 years. With this in mind, women are seeking help in defining their lives and creating positive images as they move forward.

Beth Firestein, a Loveland licensed psychologist, created the Wise Women Support Group as a safe haven for women struggling with a variety of aging issues. The group, for women 50-100, is on summer hiatus, but will begin again in September. The strong bonds formed by the women create a path for wholeness and confidence in the future.

"I'm always struck by the range of responses from women going through major transitions in life," she says. "There are all levels of acceptance, adaptation and attitudes. Even the healthiest of women are affected by a sudden shift that triggers an existential crisis." Women in the group seek a more pro-active response to aging, says Firestein, who has 27 years experience. "Many concerns throughout their lives become more pronounced as they get older and even though they've always been self-reliant, at some point they realize they can't deal with these issues by themselves."

With aging, women may find their lives altered in a variety of ways. "I notice the women in this group -- a self-selected group -- are eager to grow and heal. Regardless of their differences, they're all highly motivated to that end," she says. Peggy Edwards, of Loveland, says women may seek permission to change their lives. "When
you're with these other women, you see what they're doing with their lives and it makes you questions your own. You think 'Wow!' Can I accomplish these things, work through them? Am I good enough to do it?'"

Dr. Beth Firestein leads a Wise Women support group for women ages 55 and above in Loveland. The support group is free and the women meet every other week at a restaurant to talk about the challenges they face. (Liyana Haniff)

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"It's time to look at age on its own terms, and put names on its values and strengths, breaking through the definition of age solely as deterioration or decline from youth. The problem is how to break through the cocoon of our illusory youth and risk a new stage in life, where there are no prescribed roles, no models nor rigid rules or visible rewards -- how to step out into a true existential unknown for these years of life now open to us and to find our own terms for living them." -- Betty Friedan, author and feminist, in "The Fountain of Age"

Married at 18, Edwards has been widowed twice -- the first time at age 28 with a 3-year-old son, then again at age 55. She's also a survivor of domestic violence.

"I wanted to be with other women who may or may not have been in the same situation to learn from them," she says. "There's such a stigma with domestic violence. It's hard to get out of your little world, to make yourself vulnerable. We're searching for a way to find ourselves, but we can't do it on our own. You can heal, you can become whole, but you need that nurturing support from other women."

Pat Saunders-White is transitioning through several life changes, including a divorce.  "Sometimes older women are so enmeshed in traditional patterns they can't break out," she says. "It's time to reinvent yourself, strip away those old roles."

She says it's important to foster the spirit of independence. "Hopefully, there comes a time when you grow to a point where you can do anything you want, whenever you want." Even so, some barriers remain. "As we're growing, we still carry around that little kid with all the insecurities inside of us," Saunders-White says. "If you receive a compliment, that kid is thinking you don't deserve it. We're learning to leave that voice behind, live in the present and believe in who we are now."

Firestein focuses on helping each woman build a foundation by identifying their character strengths.

"There's a lot of laughter in the group and the tone is one of resilience," she says. "Our emphasis is on moving forward with practical support to create healthy women psychologically, physically and emotionally. It's no pity party."

Emboldened, both Saunders-White and Edwards have used travel to make a statement. Last year, Edwards popped her dog in the car for a road trip to Idaho -- a time of self-enlightenment.

"I had a tendency to isolate myself," she says. "I always thought I was an introvert, but it turns out that I'm actually an extrovert. I really loved meeting people on that trip."

Saunders-White recently made a solo trip to Santa Fe. "All these years I had qualms and what-ifs about doing that," she says. "It was great to just go ahead and do it."

It's about empowerment, says Firestein. "I would say that 100 percent of the women feel the need to be valued throughout this transition. They create this tight-knit group in a unifying motivation to re-engage in an exciting, new life."

Saunders-White agrees. "We're women who are moving along together -- it's that universal camaraderie women have that keeps us going."

Joyce Davis is a freelance writer who lives in Longmont. She can be reached at jaymdavisvitality@yahoo.com.

Examples of 'Food For Thought' Discussions from the Wise Women Group

More Food For Though Discussion Topics can be found in Beth's Book 'Women Sharing Wisdom: A Facilitator's Guide to Starting a Wise Women Group'

What We Wear

October 5, 2021

Food for Thought Clothes. As women, most of us learn in our early teen years that what we choose to wear is a form of communication, though this learning is often unconscious. For some, the message we get as girls is that clothing defines us. It determines our social status, who wants to be our…

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Gathering Wisdom

September 6, 2021

Food for Thought Wisdom comes in multiple forms and can be hard to recognize, even when it is knocking at our door or has already become a guest in our home. With every year that passes, we gain wisdom. We approach long-time problems with creative fresh solutions. We avoid stepping into the traps and tangles…

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Change of the Seasons

August 21, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT Fall is an amazing, strikingly colorful time of year.  It is one of the most spectacular and obvious examples of nature’s dramatic propensity to change.  We move from the greens, tans, and deep blue skies of summer to the miracle of yellows, oranges, and reds painting the sky from the ground up,…

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Courageous Acts

August 9, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT Courageous Acts What is courage?  There are many ways to define courage. Some definitions I have come across include “strength in the face of pain or grief” and “the ability to do something that you know is difficult or dangerous”. Mark Twain has written, “Courage is not the absence of fear. It…

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Redefining Purpose as we Age

July 25, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT One of the most common topics that arise in our group discussions and in my one-on-one counseling with older women is the question of life purpose. Some women have experienced a life-long struggle to define their sense of purpose in life, but many others have had a sense of purpose that has…

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Your Bucket List

July 11, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT The idea of the bucket list was popularized in the 2007 film of the same name.  The “bucket list” refers to things we want to do before we “kick the bucket”–positive, life-enhancing things. The film features Morgan Freeman (Carter)and Jack Nicholson (Edward) as two older men who have nothing in common except…

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Uplifting Experiences

June 21, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT The quality of our lives is shaped by many forces. Some of these experiences were harsh, painful, or traumatic, but others have been inspiring, uplifting, and joyful. We tend to reflect upon the tragedies and disappointments and it sometimes seems more difficult to lean into those experiences that have built us up.…

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Caregiving and Receiving Care

June 6, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT One of the most frequent topics that come up for my clients is the issue of caregiving. This is a role that may fall to any member of the family but usually seems to fall into our laps.  A large number of older women end up providing direct care for loved ones,…

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Dealing with Health Challenges

May 21, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT Health challenges are an ongoing part of the experience of getting older for the majority of women and men.  A few people with happy genetic legacies and the good fortune not to have been in any bad accidents and never to have contracted any severe diseases can brag about how healthy they…

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Pride and Humility

May 10, 2021

FOOD FOR THOUGHT Pride and humility are two of the strongest and most misunderstood feelings and attitudes we experience in the course of our human existence.  Pride is usually discussed in one of two completely opposite contexts.  On the positive side, we may take pride in our work, in our parenting, or in our achievements. …

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